>> to talk how the party has flip-flops' it was fored to distinguish politically politically -- polygamy so the democratic party were favorable up the time and people thought you could not be a good republican and a good mormon but now it is reversed think a harry reid cannot be of good mormon to support abortion. hi say let's not talk about parties. they come and go and platforms change. that is why it is closer to libertarian as some. >>host: new right that latter-day saints

constructed by numerous church leaders to have wide laws and policies it discards left right paula back -- paradox an approaching from perspective of every issue. >> yes. left and right is an ominous day synonymous. i see them both as the interventionist. they use coercion to force people and when a basic element is morrow we should be free and unrestrained to choose anb unaccountable it is the persuasion to get people to do the right thing. it is between persuasion and force. i tried to boil down to the

libertarian position to support their areas of interest. >>host: take harry reid and mitt romney. does her real reads politics make him of bad more men or good more men? >> it depends we ask and which issues. some issues are objectionable has mitt romney. harry reid on the social welfare policies or abortion. thing is a conflict of our faith. he is not a bad more men different mormons have different application but with the book i try a to show more consistent policy if you try to say if you are not correctly applying these

principles that can apply to conservative liberals were there is the inconsistency here is what we claim to believe the here is how would is applied. also mitt romney on warfare is repugnant. that does not mean he is a bad mormon adjusted consistent to apply the% -- principles of something we both will be the then. >>host: what can we learn about mitt romney as a candidate? >>guest: this is not about people are parties but it is a fair question. what does his fifth represent? people see him as a reflection of what said

mormon is a clear-cut businessman. taking away the veneer it would suggest what to the mormon should believe. they will cv dichotomy of what the advocates for on the trail but mitt romney or harry reid nor any others in politicians prominent to understand the doctrine and could have the alternative course of politics. >>host: the underlying theme is separation of church and state. >>guest: yes. a phrase used by misunderstood. we don't them to interfere but we do think church needs to be an influence. church leaders speak out against a candidate to or

issue people got upset when the church was involved with proposition viii. we need religious influence. that is the premise to say here are religious that is the premise to say here are religious principles based on freedom, a choice, independents and what we need to see more of. not less. >>host: where you live? >>guest: you talk. i am a web developer by a trade bill started libertarian think tank to spread the message. the tenth amendment center is an organization that i was director of the utah chapter. a national organization with the intent to help state legislators pushed back against the federal government along constitutional lines.

like obama quote -- obamacare even though it was upheld opposition is no where is it expressed delegated powers were they given authority over health care? therefore we as a state need to fight back. that is a principal support. >>host: connor boyack if people read "latter-day liberty" will they learn? >> the essential doctrines of what we are based. we believe revelation continues to come from god into our individual lives and god speaks to man. what he says should be applied. whether myself as insignificant person or a person of leadership, that

is of extreme importance so i have offered the book to the public. >>host: who was mariane rahm day? >> a high ranking. forget the relationship may be a great uncle but he was a socialist back in the day when the economy best -- conversation was more communist, that name will catch people by. he was very outspoken with the importance of individualism, taking care of one another, one of many church peters that have talked about this. my intent is to compile that and make a single case for liberty. >>host: who was brigham

young? >> a profit of the church after the founding profit who is directly involved leading fell latter-day saints westward. they were expelled and forced out they migrated westward. he was the colonize sir, a great leader, he builds many temples and the governor of the territorial area, then head of church and state before utah was a state. their real spoken and well known to americans at large. >>host: what can we learn from his political involvement? also national politics? >> when the person is a religious ahead and detrimental head the i think

those erase eventually separate. he was outspoken on the self-reliance helping people and latter-day saints to take care of one another. that is the core message that we see lacking is the importance of responsibility. we should not rely and a government could do that to one another. liberty is predicated on personal responsibility. that is what i see implemented when brigham man was colonizing it and could use that today. >>host: back to your book "latter-day liberty" you write, those who don't know better might be led to believe the libertarian party is a natural home of libertarians and the embodiment. >> i disagree with that.

people call me a small libertarian but part of the libertarian party. many of our disenfranchised with the political party. independent, and utah especially their members of the republican party. i don't think the conversation should be about party's principles. libertarian supports liberty. you could be part of the party or no party but there's a danger to apply labels. so this is what you believe. but rather talk about the principles and we could infiltrate to talk about ideas. >>host: at election time is at the view foreboding

four gary johnson, mitt romney your barack obama? >> i myself them a strong on paul supporter. i am considering voting for gary johnson. libertarians are disenfranchised with the two-party system and are trying to find the best way to agitate. ron paul was great. gary johnson is doing his part that it many agree that he could be true to its principles once in the system because of the people are so stacked against them that we need to focus on persuasion and allow people to take care of themselves. i know focusing on the presidential election has that this outcome even with

ron paul involved other than finding ways to present issues to think about liberty not to legislate or impose liberty but avenues to spread the message more effectively. >>host: why do you write about natural law? >> it is an easy term for those were not religious those to be freed from restraints in the right side come from the humanity so god has given us the rights. view talk to that acs is say different definition that the right soon come from us, not government. the fact we're human beings who are we are god's children, how the rights

came to us is not important as is the fact government has not given us the rights it is a great way to unify the message whether we believe they come from god or 97 as a libertarian and mormon, john corvino how do come down on gay marriage, the war on drugs? >>guest: important issues. the first part is principals in theology for liberty. my dedicate one chapter to the war on drugs. it is easy to believe it is good, the drug czar bad bad, cocaine will be sold on every street corner if we legalize. what is the proper

application? just because you want to grow marijuana plant to the extent it is used as crime then you could talk about government intervention. even if i disagree as of mormon we have a moral code for r will not a force that upon others as long as they don't violate my rights. but good government does that on my behalf. same-sex marriage i don't believe the government has a right to sanction any personal relationship is should be a personal contract, the churches, letting government control the major relationship, vanna white gapped -- giving government the power. whenever it is given the power to centralize it is a

political game who can win the election to put their dictates another people. there is a threat to the of men-- same-sex marriages a violation but legislative solutions are the appropriate mechanism. extricating government altogether is the way but it is equated to baptism. we would land freak out to but charges of different methods. another person may could be baptized according to their beliefs. i don't want that imposed upon the program should be returned back to the churches. this should be resolved through voluntary associations.

reduce government to defend people of property. >>host: cardoza positions in contrast dork and conflict with the mormon church? >> is a very diverse group. people define it as the leadership. i don't know how they vote it is private. they have taken on a strong political neutrality. they believe members can be good mormons within a political party. even with the statistics it is hard to say what it represents politically. i advocate a libertarian but look at the voting records by no means is there the libertarian under current.

those are a deviation i'd like to pull more toward liberty but that is far off. i have a lot of work to do to seven john corvino is our third guest. his book is "latter-day liberty." of gospel approach to government and politics. thank you. >>guest: i appreciate it.

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